Hello. Great article. I grew up in Advie at Craigvarren and the gaelic is something like Creag a Bharrin. I cant find it right now, but the translation on Scotlands Places was hill of the steep sided slope, rather than the more common top of the hill/rock translation. I was at the chapel site a few years ago and the bank is very steep down to the river. I wonder if Poll Baráin is better explained by that rather than Baronet's pool.
'Although it’s not in Strathavon, Milne included Pool Veriner in his talk, giving it a supposed original name of Poll Baráin, or Baronet’s Pool.'
"However, some of Milne’s other interpretations suggest that he was a man who knew some Gaelic and wanted to show it off, rather than someone with a deep grasp of onomastics."
Lucky for him you weren't around back then to stick a pin in his balloon of self-importance, lol.
In case it's of any interest regarding pre-SSS references to Pulvrenan, Pont marks the Kirk of Knock Andich suggesting that it wasn't known as Pulvrenan at that time (at least to him) but that it was a known church site.
Thanks Andy. But is it the same site? There are rumoured old church/chapel sites all around Knockando. The one on Pont *seems* like it's nearer the current church, near the mouth of the Knockando burn opposite Phones/Fonish.
Actually I think you've hit on something important here - from Pont's map it does look like the old parish church was nearer to the current parish church than the 'Pulvrenan' site. There was also a rumour in Knockando that the old parish church was near the current one. So perhaps that's where the symbol stones came from, rather than 'Pulvrenan'.
Hello. Great article. I grew up in Advie at Craigvarren and the gaelic is something like Creag a Bharrin. I cant find it right now, but the translation on Scotlands Places was hill of the steep sided slope, rather than the more common top of the hill/rock translation. I was at the chapel site a few years ago and the bank is very steep down to the river. I wonder if Poll Baráin is better explained by that rather than Baronet's pool.
'Although it’s not in Strathavon, Milne included Pool Veriner in his talk, giving it a supposed original name of Poll Baráin, or Baronet’s Pool.'
I can't stop laughing at:
"However, some of Milne’s other interpretations suggest that he was a man who knew some Gaelic and wanted to show it off, rather than someone with a deep grasp of onomastics."
Lucky for him you weren't around back then to stick a pin in his balloon of self-importance, lol.
Hahahaa, oh dear, maybe I was a bit harsh on Mr Milne. (Also thank you for reading that far!!)
In case it's of any interest regarding pre-SSS references to Pulvrenan, Pont marks the Kirk of Knock Andich suggesting that it wasn't known as Pulvrenan at that time (at least to him) but that it was a known church site.
https://maps.nls.uk/pont/view/?id=pont06r#zoom=6&lat=1702&lon=2461&layers=BT
Thanks Andy. But is it the same site? There are rumoured old church/chapel sites all around Knockando. The one on Pont *seems* like it's nearer the current church, near the mouth of the Knockando burn opposite Phones/Fonish.
I've no idea to be honest!
Actually I think you've hit on something important here - from Pont's map it does look like the old parish church was nearer to the current parish church than the 'Pulvrenan' site. There was also a rumour in Knockando that the old parish church was near the current one. So perhaps that's where the symbol stones came from, rather than 'Pulvrenan'.